charliefarley replied: "If your dog is old do the right thing and have it put down.
Remember Vets are only going to make more money out of
keeping your animal alive and so prolong its suffering."
iluvtorofl replied: "Cardiomyopathy is fatal. The diabetes will hasten the outcome of the cardiac problems. I'm sorry your dog is so sick. Enjoy him as long as you are able to. If and when he appears to be suffering, please don't leave him in pain. Sometimes being a good pet owner means saying goodbye. I'm so sorry he is not doing well."
Diabetes Insipidus in a dog? Any other treatment that works? NEED HELP!!!? I have a younger male Husky dog. For the past year he has been excessively drinking water and urinating anywhere he can. I have taken him to vet many times and has had all the tests possible to find out what is wrong with him. The vet finally came to the conclusion that he has Diabetes Insipidus. I am treating him with Desmopressin Acetate drops, 4 drops, 2 times a day in eyes. It seemed to work for awhile now he is starting to urinate and drink excessively again. The drops are pretty pricey and now they are seeming not to work that well. Do you have any knowlege about this and what I could do treatment wise? The vet has done all tests possible. Are there any other medications that would work for him? I would appreciate any help. Thank You
Christy
Dale A replied: "Can you outline the tests that have been done? I'm assuming (because you're using Desmopressin) that it is central diabetes insipidus, rather than nephrogenic.
Anyways, as far as I know, hormone replacement therapy with synthetic ADH is the only effective treatment. Have you talked to the vet re. upping the dose? Is it possible, that by being PU/PD for so long that he's had a medullary washout (i.e. washed out the salt gradient in his kidneys), and so can't properly concentrate his urine even with the ADH. You're going to have to work with your vet on this one, as regulating the water intake of a dog with diabetes insipidus can be dangerous.
Best of luck."
My lab has diabetes insipidus, what are the side effects of Desmopressin? He is only 6/12 and was diagnosed w/ diabetes insipidus last Ocotober and has been on Desmopressin the synthetic hormone in an eye drop form since Oct. He went from an active dog to a lifeless stuffed animal, he doesn't want to do anything he used to do. He is also on thyroid meds. He was just at the vet last month and all of his levels are normal. Does anyone know the side effects of desmopressin b.c. I think that is causing all of his terrible side effects. I just want my old dog back :(
We have spent over $5,000 on Koby and this disorder. We get him tested every three months. We do not have any children yet so he is like our son and we will do anything it takes to get him back to his normal self.
Jocelyn7777 replied: "This is something I found when researching DI...
Therapy is not mandatory for DI as long as the pet has unlimited access to water, and is kept in an environment where constant urination is not a problem. This usually applies to outdoor pets. Therapy with DDAVP can be administered intermittently, when severe thirst and excess urination is especially undesirable, for example, if guests are visiting. Unrestricted access to water is absolutely imperative.
Follow-up
Optimal treatment for a pet with diabetes insipidus requires both home and professional care, with follow up being critical. Administer prescribed medications and alert your veterinarian if you are experiencing problems treating your pet. Follow up includes:
Periodic rechecks by your veterinarian, especially if the diabetes insipidus is suspected to be caused by a tumor affecting the part of the brain responsible for making ADH.
Seek immediate veterinary care if any illness develops that causes vomiting or causes the pet to reduce his water intake, as there is a risk of life-threatening dehydration if water is withdrawn from pets with DI for even a few hours.
Does your dog have unlimited access to plenty of fresh water? Did the vet do plenty of tests to rule out other illnesses which can also have the same symptoms of DI?
The diagnostic tests recommended will help differentiate DI from these other conditions that can cause excessive thirst and urination:
Diabetes mellitus (excessive sugar in the blood)
Renal glycosuria (excessive sugar in the urine, but not diabetic)
Chronic kidney failure
Pyometra (infection of the uterus)
Hypercalcemia, a condition of excessively high calcium levels in the blood
Liver failure
Hyperadrenocorticism, also called Cushing's disease, a condition of overactive adrenal glands
Pyelonephritis, an infection of the kidneys
Hypokalemia (low potassium levels in the blood)
Hypoadrenocorticism, also called Addison's disease, a condition of underactive adrenal glands
Hyperthyroidism (excessive thyroid activity)
Acromegaly (excessive production of growth hormone)
Psychogenic polydipsia (excessive drinking due to psychological reasons, such as a change in the pet's environment
I'd definitely talk to the vet about other forms of treatment, such as:
Treatment In-depth
Desmopressin acetate (also called DDAVP) is a synthetic form of the hormone ADH. It is the standard therapy for central DI. It comes in two forms: injection and nasal drops. The nasal spray can be transferred to a sterile eye dropper bottle and applied to the eye if the dog won't tolerate nasal drops. One to four drops administered once or twice a day usually controls the clinical signs. (which you are currently using)
Chlorpropamide may reduce urine output in some dogs, although results can be inconsistent. Severe forms of central DI often don't respond.
Thiazide diuretics – while it may seem paradoxical to give a dog with DI a diuretic to increase urine output, the net result is usually a reduction in overall urine output.
Salt restriction has a net effect of reducing urine output, and may be used sometimes as the sole therapy for central DI.
Good luck."
ragapple replied: "http://pets.groups.yahoo. com/group/diabetes_insipidus_dogs/
Put this togher at Yahoo. and com and you get a support group for owners of dogs with Diabetes insipidus. From my own experence on a different support list these lists can be a godsend. It may be a dose adjustment may solve your problem - I don't know - they will..."
Does anyone have a dog suffering from Diabetes Insipidus? If so any advice please. Medication not working.? Diabtes Insipidus is a condition which means that the body does not concentrate the urine.
Joe K replied: "Have the dog euthanized and go get another dog. It will be cheaper and less painful in the long run. Medication for your pets will bankrupt you if they can invent enough diseases that they cant cure."
assasin of silence replied: "more tests to see if anything alse is going on??"
sarah c replied: "I googled and there are loads of websites and papers published, I hope you find something there to help.
The second link is to the first site, it mentions the necessity of accurate diagnosis. Remember you're able to ask your vet to refer you for a second opinion, if your pet is not responding to treatment there is no reason why your vet should have a problem with that."
GitEmGang replied: "Been there,done that...put it down.
Don't prolong the suffering-for EITHER of you! Do it soon before all systems start shutting down.
Sorry"
ragapple replied: "A yahoo group for support of owners of dogs with Dibetes Insipidus
I assure you many of these groups are a godsend
"
crazyhorse1643 replied: "you really need to ask your doctor on this one. he was the one who gave you the medication.
i just recently lost my dog due to a 3 1/2 year battle w/diabeties. yea we gave her 2 shots of insulin everyday but like one of the first people who answered said, medication takes a toll on ur bills. she eventually went blind too. but please do talk to ur doctor. he should know the right thing. and so should u"
Why don't people ever consider Diabetes Insipidus when describing a dog that drinks and pees constantly? This drives me nuts. People describe DI symptoms to a "T". Drinks incredible amounts of water. Pees constantly -- and in great volumes. And as a side note, says that the pee doesn't smell or is like water. Please note this is not diabetes mellitus, the common and suger related diabetes, this is completely different.
People -- and vets!! -- wake up. DI is on the rise. I don't know why it is, but it is no longer rare.
Withholding water from a dog with DI is deadly. I see this advice all the time for dogs that clearly are DI dogs. No they don't have a UTI. No they aren't psychotic or not housebroken. Yes, the common test for DI can KILL (withholding water). The easiest way to see if its DI is to try the meds (there are two types). Try each one, one at a time. If the dog improves dramatically, your dog has DI!
Please - people, vets and vet techs -- consider DI when you have a dog with a low specific gravity urine!!
Just from my experience -- in 30 years of being very active in dogs and doing rescue for about the last 15 years, I had never seen a case of DI.
Then I saw my first case 2 years ago. Since then 3 more confirmed, and several more suspected in people who put their dogs down without a diagnosis. In all cases, the vets had not considered the possibility of DI. They instead went with a diagnosis of the dogs having a psychiatric problem which cause the drinking to excess. In one case, the dog was "in training" for housebreaking...yet that wasn't the problem at all (that was a confirmed case...dog was perfectly housebroken on meds).
I think it's rather odd that vets would go with a diagnosis of a dog psychiatric issue rather than check out a very real possibilty of a physical diagnosis just because it currently DI is considered rare.
ND DVM replied: "I'd be interested in seeing information showing that diabetes insipidus is on the rise. In my experience, it remains a relatively uncommon cause of excessive drinking and urination, but certainly one that must be considered. Basic blood tests can confirm or rule out many possible causes of similar problems, and I'd do that before embarking on a therapeutic trial.
Here's a good introductory article for those who aren't familiar with diabetes insipidus: "
My dog has had all tests for drinking/urinating too much...not diabetes, cushings, diabetes insipidus, ? Vet has run all tests. She has been taking a diuretic (of all things) and not getting better. She is little, not overweight, 3 years old. A year and a half ago she had stones removed, but urinalysis comes back ok. What to do next?
Bella replied: "Talk to the vet about the need for the diuretic. Diuretics cause the body to flush water out, causing dehydration and frequent urination and drinking. I personally would seek a second opinion, ask some friends who have dogs what vet they use and what they think."
Lindsay B replied: "See a canine internal medicine vet. Your regular vet can refer you to one."
bob © replied: "has her thyroid been checked? the problem could be from that or cystitis or pyschological. having your dog on a diuretic seems silly. my big dog is pu/ pd and is being treated for cystitis (cranberry supplement and glucosamine) and it seems to be helping her. are you sure there weren't any crystals in your dogs urine?"
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